Conversing with the self at the time of suffering (Gujarati Dadavani June-2012)

After attaining this Atmagnan (Self-realization), now this body, which we call file number one; what is that? This is a living idol of discharge karma, which Dadashri also calls pratishthit atma. In the past life, being ignorant of the Self, one instilled life in the non-Self complex, saying, ‘this is my body, I am doing this’, and that charged karma are now discharging in the current life. Now these discharging karma are giving fruits in the form of suffering of pleasure or pain. One has to suffer these fruits of karma. In that, not even God is an exception, in suffering of that karma. But what is the difference? The Gnani Purush remains constantly in the state of the Self, so the pain (vedana) does not touch Him at all. However, an agnani (a non-Self-realized person) believes that, ‘this is my body, I am in pain’ and ‘it is happening to me’, hence he suffers. The agnani becomes the enjoyer of pleasure during shata (pleasure) and the sufferer (bhokta) of pain during ashata (pain).